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    10/13/2010
    Feingold’s smoking something

    The Feingold campaign doesn’t like what reputable pollsters are telling them – so they’re using their own polling to find a 48 to 48% tie amongst those who are “definite”[ly] going to vote November 2 – and include “leaning” voters.
    It is clear from several different data points that a major reason for this Feingold surge over the last week is the campaign’s emphasis on trade and the two candidates’ clear difference concerning various trade deals, including Johnson’s description of the resulting job loss as “creative destruction”. For the first time since the summer, Johnson’s unfavorable rating has increased (by nearly 10 points over the past ten days) while at the same time his favorable rating has dropped-- to a level four points lower than Russ Feingold’s in this latest track.

    Obviously, this is still a very close race but a very different one than the automated public pollsters would have you believe.
    What a bunch of hooey.

    Well, those “automated public pollsters” aren’t too happy, including the left-leaning “PublicPolicyPolling” group. Their tweet: “When is the Feingold campaign going to stop blaming their problems on the automated polls? CNN, Reuters have shown same.”

    In a new poll released yesterday, Rasmussen showed Johnson over Feingold, 52 to 45% Good numbers, but Feingold has indeed gained ground.
    Two weeks ago, Johnson, a wealthy plastics manufacturer, held a 54% to 42% lead over Feingold. In surveys since May, Johnson’s support has risen from 44% to a high of 54%. Feingold in that same period has picked up 42% to 46%.
    And the new Reuters-Ipsos poll shows Feingold trailing Johnson, 44% vs. 51%.

    Jeremy Shown’s blog in September showcased Nate Silver’s piece - What candidates do when they’re behind. 
    When a candidate appears to trail in a race, he’s going to give you a story about how he’s going to come back (or if he’s a little more enterprising, why he isn’t really trailing in the first place). He’ll talk about how the dynamics of the race are exceptional, about how his internal polls, which are printed on really nice letterhead, show the race to be a dead heat. And he’ll give you some tidbits: Union workers in Wilkes-Barre are breaking 2 to 1 for him, you know, and wait ’til you see his September fund-raising numbers, because people are getting energized, just now getting energized, about this campaign, they’re really getting energized, and that was the plan all along, don’cha know.
    Imagine that. Exactly what’s happening.

    Jo Egelhoff, FoxPolitics.net




    COMMENTS

    So it's coming down to the devil you know versus the devil you don't. I'm not at all happy about some of Feingold's votes, but would I be any happier with Johnson's, who will be under the finger of Mitch McConnell? I don't think so.

    That Obama could bounce off of a horrendous 8-year Bush administration, and actually trash his presidency in the first year is unimaginable.

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    Jack Lohman (Wed Oct 13 06:49:09 2010)

    So Feingold is spurring on his supporters in the face of disappointing poll numbers. And when it comes to campaigns this is new because?

    The real disturbing fact however is that a Senator that most states wished they had is behind a empty suit is in effect buying this election. Yes buying, because unfortunately many voters fail to follow the issues as well as they should.

    Sounds elitist isn't it. Yet here we have someone who is eager to ship more jobs overseas in the spirit of "creative destruction" while he gleefully shreds the safety net in accord with his socio-pathic Randian "ideas," while of course posing as a Christian.

    Now that's elitism.

    We will replace a voice for independence with someone who in effect will be a Republican lap dog.

    Senator Ron Johnson? Wisconsin, you're smarter than that.

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    Keith Schmitz (Wed Oct 13 07:07:44 2010)

    Boys, you just keep right on swilling that Kool-Aid.

    If Russ were attached any closer to Pelosi he'd be on the other side of her. She decides when he can be a "maverick". If the vote is needed he votes with the Democrats. If it isn't needed he is "free" to vote against a Democrat bill (such as 2nd amendment bills which help him with constituent votes). I may just be missing it but I fail to remember any Dem bill he's voted against that his vote was needed to pass.

    Sorry, I'll take the Kool-Aid that might be toxic rather than the Kool-Aid I know is toxic.

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    C.R. Stevenson (Wed Oct 13 08:54:25 2010)

    It's disturbing how the public who may casually hear a Feingold radio spot can be bamboozled. If one is listening and not critically thinking about the words used, they can easily be mislead.

    Feingold criticizes Johnson for supporting Free Trade and Open Markets. The career politician says Free Markets don't work for Wisconsin and whines about all the Wisconsin jobs lost because of Free Trade. 'Scuse me Rusty, but Free Trade worked EXACTLY as it should, it's not free trade's fault, it's Wisconsin's business environment that caused those jobs to disappear.

    If Wisconsin didn't create such a business-hostile environment with onerous regulation and stifling taxes (not to mention an unrelenting 'union-takes-all' mentality) ... perhaps the businesses who decided to call Mayflower, pack up, and move wouldn't have been looking for other options.

    Ron isn't the manipulative word-smith that Senator Feingold has proven to be, but hopefully his message will still resonate with those who are saying "hey, this ain't workin', let's try something with a better track record".

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    Jeff (Wed Oct 13 09:07:11 2010)

    Absolutely correct, Jeff. As soon as our peons learn to survive on $1-2 per hour, as they do in China and India, we'll be able to put the trade issue behind us and get back to real issues. Like, figuring out how these peons can now afford to buy the products generated by the Fat Cats, and like, feeding their families.

    Boy, are we going to teach them a thing or two.

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    Jack Lohman (Wed Oct 13 09:14:14 2010)

    If this policy was a horse, based on its track record you'd have to shoot it.

    I know how you all love to bathe in this meme that Wisconsin is a tax hell, which of course is patent BS, but if you haven't noticed just about every other state is suffering from the same job losses from "free trade."

    Wisconsin has taken a hit because it has so many manufacturing jobs. Keep on supporting Johnson and we'll have fewer.

    Kool-Aid anyone?

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    Keith Schmitz (Wed Oct 13 09:52:21 2010)

    Interesting projection: "The economy of India is projected to become larger than the U.S. economy by the year 2050.”

    And why is this? Because our trusted politicians are owned and operated by multinational corporations and have passed trade laws that give advantage to outsourcing jobs rather than using American workers. That increases the corporation’s bottom line and the CEOs salary and the amount they can contribute to political campaigns. So, our politicians are, well, prostitutes who care more about getting re-elected than their constituents or their country's health.

    And Wisconsin taxes? Perhaps $1 billion per year total. Keith is correct.

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    Jack Lohman (Wed Oct 13 10:08:12 2010)

    CR, do yourself a favor and read up on your topic before you comment. Russ is a true independent on a number of things, voting against the Democrats on a number of issues including Bush Supreme Court appointees and Bush's AGs to name a few.

    But why don't you be honest with us. You really don't care how independent whoever it is that you vote for when that Republican is running do you. You want a straight down the line party vote. Right?

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    Keith Schmitz (Wed Oct 13 10:36:51 2010)

    Do we have a free market? Decidedly not. so how can we blame a failed market on freedom? Get the gov't out of guaranteeing loans, making loans at all esp using tax funds to subsidize biz. loans. Let taxpayers keep more $ so THEY can decide as consumers which businesses to support with their consumption dollars. Get Gov;t involved and there are ALWAYS unintended consequences, waste, fraud inefficiency, and outright corruption. Sad fact, many have been taxed to have their jobs exported. That is not free trade.




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    Ken Van Doren (Wed Oct 13 14:04:54 2010)

    Ah yes, Ken wants a return of the wild west where there were few laws governing banks and the extent to which the greedy can rip off the unsuspecting.
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    Jack Lohman (Wed Oct 13 14:09:38 2010)

    I have sung Russ' praises on those few votes he gets right. But if you watch carefully, you will discover that Russ is a chameleon. Does votes for political impact rather than conviction. Touts constitution when he wants, but flaunts it when it is not convenient. ala supporting SCOTUS candidates who ignore it, voting for Health care foulup bill.

    BTW, if PATRIOT Act is so bad, and it is, why did Russ vote for Son of PATRIOT Act, I and II? Hypocrite chameleon.

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    Ken Van Doren (Wed Oct 13 14:27:05 2010)

    Isn't it great that so many on this blog want us to become a banana republic, controlled by a few aristocratic families and foreign interests. It's not too late to stop it. Certainly by November 2nd. But if we don't, our better days are behind us.
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    Keith Schmitz (Wed Oct 13 15:04:03 2010)

    Jack-
    So how is it that with every campaign finance reform incumbents get more entrenched? WildWest? How about we enforce the ONLY needed laws with regard to banks, that is, those that prohibit fraud? Franklin Raines is a bigger crook than Bernie Madoff by a factor of at least 100, numerous other players committed fraud, including the big Banksters and the Federal Reserve, and yet Ben Bernanke and Lloyd Blankfein, like Raines, walk free. Until you take away the POWER to counterfeit, the protective power of a corrupt government, nothing can or will be solved. Once again, the hard fix: WE must become better and more informed people. Simple and easy fixes do not exist, will not work. WE must elect honest officials, and Feingold demonstrably is not one.

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    Ken Van Doren (Wed Oct 13 18:53:57 2010)

    What are you talking about, Ken. The McCain-feingold bill was gutted by McConnell-DeLay. The entrenched politicians followed the loosening of contribution laws by conservatives (Buckley, Citizens United). The only decent reform is public funding which NEITHER party has passed. Enforce the ONLY needed laws with regard to banks??? So unlimited bonuses are okay? And yes, Franklin Raines is a bigger crook than Bernie Madoff, and he should go to jail too. But how about the 535 crooks in our trusted congress? WE must elect honest officials? And then let the Fat Cats change the names on the checks they write?

    I'm not a Feingold supporter but I think he has been fairly decent. Certainly not perfect, but I'm truly torn about him versus a McConnell rubber stamp.

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    Jack Lohman (Wed Oct 13 19:54:25 2010)

    Isn't it interesting that many on this site do not realize that it is BIG GOVERNMENT that colludes with Big Banks (the real masters) and big business to use to force of government to transfer wealth for their benefit, and create a wall of regulation that keeps smaller competitors down. Is it not amazing that in the face of overwhelming evidence that many do not see that the real threat is BIG GOVERNMENT and its allies that are the greatest threats to freedom and our prosperity, BIG GOVERNMENT with its already consuming directly and indirectly, 2/3 of our production, and will consume it all and then some, if we do not do an immediate about face?

    BIG GOVERNMENT will surely make us a banana republic with the help of, what did Lenin call them???

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    Ken Van Doren (Wed Oct 13 20:41:08 2010)

    Jack, no chance of cracking your skull I see. What was the CU case about? Do you know?

    Let me drop a hint. A full length movie detailing the life and times of one Hillary Clinton, documenting her chicanery. So you apparently think that an ignorant public, deprived of this information can make better decisions than one that is fully informed? No sense arguing with i.....YOU if you can not concede me that argument.

    Again, there is no substitute for a moral and INFORMED public.

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    Ken Van Doren (Wed Oct 13 20:46:32 2010)

    And let me correct you- 534 crooks in congress.

    And yes, we must do better at electing honest politicians before an honest system can be implemented. That requires that the electorate be informed and honest themselves.

    And how can you be sure that Johnson will be a McConnel rubber stamp? It is clear that if the elections go as they might, McConnel's power will be undermined by the new faces in his own party. His closes allies have been decimated in the primary process, so it would seem likely he will have less influence on the new people. If anything, most of the new faces are likely to be far more loyal to Jim DeMint, no fan of McConnel (YEAH!!!) I probably despise Mcconnel at least as much as you do.

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    Ken Van Doren (Wed Oct 13 20:54:09 2010)

    and yes unlimited bonuses ARE ok. But without the bankster bailouts (yes, there has been more than one) and without the highly immoral fractional reserve banking system, banks would be far more limited BY MARKET FORCES in handing out bonuses. for one thing, without the ability to create money out of nothing- "legally" counterfeiting-banks would have to compete for deposits by paying higher interest rates. And these would be limited by the desire of borrowers to pay the interest and ability of borrowers to repay the loans. Self correcting market forces, all undermined by the current corrupt system. Note also that thrift would be more rewarded, rather than punished by inflation, as now.

    And SCOTUS seems to be picking apart the highly flawed McCain Feingold Almost Guaranteed Incumbency Act- a good thing.

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    Ken Van Doren (Wed Oct 13 21:01:51 2010)

    Okay, Ken, tell me exactly HOW disclosure blocks speech. Oh, you also want disclosure of the union members? Would THAT make you happy? Or do you prefer secrecy in payoffs?

    I for one want to know whether an ad is funded by Soros or Murdock or a foreigner (Oh, they are both foreigners!).

    We disagree. I think the free-for-all market the bankers have been playing in since politicians repealed Glass-Steagall has crashed our economy. You don't. How are you liking it so far?

    I prefer a regulated capitalism that is run by politicians that are not taking bribes from the recipients.

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    Jack Lohman (Thu Oct 14 07:21:03 2010)

    Jack:
    Okay, Ken, tell me exactly HOW disclosure blocks speech. Oh, you also want disclosure of the union members? Would THAT make you happy? Or do you prefer secrecy in payoffs?

    Me: It does not, except that you KNOW that if the people in Milwaukee protesting the billboards attempting to discourage illegal voting would probably torch the home(s) of those who paid for it. The information remains the same, whether you know who funded it or not. And in fact, it is because of prior Campaign finance DEform that more independent expenditures are being made. This is a regulation caused argument, as otherwise, more if not most of the arguments would be made by the candidates. Not to mention that one way or another, legally or not, the special interests will find a way. Take the power from the government to do their bidding, and the the problems you see with campaign financing go away. Why would they spend obscene amounts of money to effect redistribution of wealth if it was not the governments to give in the first place?

    Jack:
    y do not have reason to fund this
    I for one want to know whether an ad is funded by Soros or Murdock or a foreigner (Oh, they are both foreigners!).

    Me:See answer above. Even more so, if the government had less power to redistribute, tip the tables in favor of one or another special interests, problem largely solved.

    Jack: We disagree. I think the free-for-all market the bankers have been playing in since politicians repealed Glass-Steagall has crashed our economy. You don't. How are you liking it so far?


    Free for all? No, free for bankers, in particular the large politically connected banks. Moreover, your answer ignores my explanation that the biggest way big bankers and the corporations around them rip us off is by way of legalized counterfeiting. Banks can create more money in an instant than you and I in a lifetime. And their money spends the same as ours, that we had to provide goods and services to get, while all they did was "print" money. This has the effect of making our dollars worth less, undermines sound economic practices, causes booms and busts, and concentrates wealth in the hands of the bankers.

    IF there were sound money, the ONLY way bankers could get the money to drive things would be to pay interest high enough to attract deposits. Also, given that there would be no inflation, there would not be the booms and busts that bankers want to position themselves on the right side of. It would be IMPOSSIBLE for bankers to manipulate the market to the extent they do now. And again, it is GOVERNMENT that colluded with the richest people in the world-bankers- to rip off the taxpayers to bail their sorry behinds out. It is GOVERNMENT that chartered the FED to wreak its destruction upon our economy. SOUND MONEY, and there is no need for Glass Steagal. Without sound money, G-S should have stayed in place until we had sound money. Banks were allowed to create the money to drive the prices to pay the commissions to give the bonuses. All of it is corrupt and immoral, which gets back to my main premise. We can not continue to think that somehow all of us are going to get the better part of the swindle. CAN NOT HAPPEN!! Only those who currently have the most power will continue to disproportionately benefit. Until we convince the average person who will in turn convince the average politician that government power should be limited to protecting life, liberty, property, will any real long term change be possible.

    Big GoverNMEnt ang Big Business, and yes, Big Labor all dance with each other.

    Jack:
    I prefer a regulated capitalism that is run by politicians that are not taking bribes from the recipients.

    So then you must agree with me that the only way to do that is to elect honest politicians who recognize that power corrupts, and that the only hope is to limit government to protecting rights, including prohibitions against theft by fraud. In the long run, THE ONLY way, along with an informed electorate, that we can be sure that power is not abused, and that when it is, people and politicians will be punished.

    Again, panaceas seldom work.

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    Ken Van Doren (Thu Oct 14 14:35:39 2010)

    >>> "Take the power from the government to do their bidding, and the the problems you see with campaign financing go away."

    Oh, just take the power away??? Then what can they do? Nothing... so why do we even need a government?

    Honest politicians? Until they are elected and start getting the campaign checks.

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    Jack Lohman (Thu Oct 14 16:48:08 2010)

    If you like Nancy P. and Harry R. and Obama Socialism , you will love old Rusy "Find the gold" Feingold. I served with him in the state senate HE WAS THE same worn out liberal that he is today. He is no more a maverick than I am. Time to say goodbye to him.
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    senator alan lasee (Sun Oct 17 17:38:58 2010)

    @ Jack.
    ">> "Take the power from the government to do their bidding, and the the problems you see with campaign financing go away."

    Oh, just take the power away??? Then what can they do? Nothing... so why do we even need a government?"

    A little homework for you Jack. Read www.bastiat.org, "The Law." Government exists, or should exist to protect our rights, for our mutual self-defense. . As Bastiat so eloquently argues, when goes beyond that, into redistribution, into laws that LIMIT the rights to the benefit of protected groups, it violates our rights. And either government is limited, preferably to the protection of life, liberty, property, or government knows no bounds. That is about where we are today. Gov't do NOTHING? Well that is what they do best. Should do more of it. Te goal of virtually every lobbying group is to feed at the trough, and/or to receive protection from their competitors. YES, emphatically, take away these powers.
    And yes, beyond the protection of our rights, we have little real need for government.

    Honest politicians? I think the pols reflect the people. Until WE are honest, what hope do we have that our pols will be? Until WE respect the rights of others to what they have earned, we can expect this "race to the bottom" of everyone using the force of government to pick our neighbors pockets. And you know what? Until we realize that, it does not matter the source of funding for the campaigns. Pols will then, as now, use their redistributive power to buy votes.

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    Ken Van Doren (Mon Oct 18 09:15:08 2010)




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